Updated to provide additional context: 6.31 pm Pacific
Sometimes, you just need to read a conversation thread in a single post to be truly boggled.
I’ll preface this exchange by noting that I read the Wired column under discussion (What if the Facebook (Un)Privacy Revolution Is a Good Thing) prior to this exchange: my take-away at the time was that Fred Vogelstein falls into the tech-world equivalent of Jay Rosen’s “church of the savvy“, a term Rosen uses to describe the “belief system that binds together our political press corps in Washington.”
Here’s an excerpt from the article:
I’ve interviewed Zuckerberg and/or members of his team more than a dozen times in the last three years, and I believe they all completely understood the company’s new privacy settings would be controversial. Indeed, I think they intended them to be controversial. Look back at the history of Facebook’s privacy firestorms — they happen roughly every 18 months — and you’ll see they all fit the same pattern. In order for Facebook to succeed, it needs to keep challenging existing conventions about online privacy. This isn’t a secret. Zuckerberg has said it many times. What he hasn’t said – but which he and anyone else with a brain knows – is that there is no way to do that without making some users angry.
And here’s the set-up for the Twitter discussion between Jay Rosen and Fred Vogelstein. Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) tweets:
Rosen responds to @jny2:
The next Tweet in the exchange is from @fvogelstein
@jayrosen_nyu Everyone lies to the press. It’s up to the press to know enough to expose those statements as lies. I wish people didn’t have the right to lie to the press, but they do. The only place you don’t have right to lie is under oath.
Back to Rosen
Okay, @fvogelstein. So why doesn’t your column hit Zuck for lying about how shocked he was at the backlash and for his phony “we heard you?”
And now to Vogelstein
@jayrosen_nyu Thought I had. What other explanation is there for repeated privacy firestorms? FB couldn’t exist w the world’s view of privacy circa 2002. So Zuck has forced it to evolve. Has he not been entirely forthcoming w users in the process. Yep. Does that make him difft from Jobs, the Google guys etc? Nope. Entreps always walk this line. Is Zuck too often on the wrong side of it for his users taste. Certainly seems that way, but user growth continues to accelerate. Go figure. Should something be done regardless – like some form of regulation? I leave that question for you. I don’t think I have much privacy and don’t think there is heck of a lot I can do about it wo a giveup. You and lots of totally reasonable people don’t agree w me, which is totally fine.
Back to @JayRosen_NYU
A Response from Vogelstein:
@jayrosen_nyu This is clearly impt to you. Perhaps u should write the piece u would have liked me to have written.
And the closing Tweet from Rosen:
What do you think? Do you think Zuckerberg lying? Is Vogelstein critical of Zuckerberg for lying? Should he be?